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#1 greenacres

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 05:11 PM

You may be familiar with the word 'Pyrethrum' from the packaging of many ready-to-use organic insect sprays. However it was once one of the most popular insecticides available until the introduction of modern synthetic insecticides.



This insecticidal chemical is derived from the dried, powdered flowers of the pyrethrum daisy, Tanacetum cinerarifolium, and has been used as early as 1880 as a treatment to control mosquitoes. The active ingredients 'Pyrethrins' are mainly concentrated in the seeds of the flower head, and work by way of a contact insecticide. This means that the insect only has to be touched by the active ingredient to be affected.
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Pyrthrins have a quick knockdown effect on insects, working in some ways like a nerve toxin. With the right dosage insects can be paralyzed in mid flight, but if the dose is too low they will just be knocked out and fly off later on once they've recovered. On food crops pyrethrins can be applied up to one day before harvest because they are quickly destroyed by light and heat. This means that they are not persistent in the environment and this it why pyrthrins have their 'organic' label. Be careful though as Pyrthrins will kill ladybirds, aquatic insects and the preditors that eat them although they do not appear to be harmful to bees.



HOW TO MAKE YOUR PYRETHRUM INSECTICIDE:
Pyrethrum daisies are easy to grow in the English garden and are readily available at most good plant retailers. That way - if you have pyrethrum in the garden - you will have the main ingredient conveniently close by when you are ready to make your spray. The importance of this becomes clear when you realise how quickly the active ingredient within the pyrethrum flower will degrade..
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The concentration of pyrethrums is at its peak when the flowers are in full bloom, this is recognised as the time when the first row of florets on the central disk opens - up until the time that all the florets are open. Pick the flowers in full bloom and then hang them in a dark sheltered spot to dry.
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Traditionally, in Japan, the flowers were harvested with their stems intact, and hung upside down in water for between 24 to 48 hours before drying. The reason for this process is that it can increases the pyrethrin levels. Once dry, crush the flowers into a powder using a mortar and pestle or a blender. The finer the powder is the more effective it will be against insects, but it will deteriorate more rapidly.



To apply as an insecticidal dust, simply apply the dried and crushed flowers on to the leaves of plants that require its protection.


To use as a spray, soak ten grams of pyrethrum powder into three litres of warm water for three hours, after this it is ready to be sprayed. It is possible to use fresh flowers instead of dried but you will need to use up to four times the amount of planr material to get the same concentration of active ingredient.


The efficiency of pyrethrum can be greatly improved with the addition of other products such as sesame seed oil or washing up liquid. These can be added at a dose of one teaspoon per litre of solution and can increase the effectiveness of your spray up to four times the norm.
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As mentioned before Pyrethrum breaks down quickly after application giving no more than 48 hours of protection ( 12 hours is generally nearer the mark) depending on the concentration of the mixture sprayed. One of the ways that this degradation can be slowed down is to add anti-oxidants such as tannic acid, a chemical found in the bark of several tree species. Even so it will be necessary to reapply after rain.



You may need to experiment with the amount of water your powder is being added to as the concentration of pyrethrins in the dried flowers will be an unknown variable. If your spray does not seem to kill insects, try using use less water next time you make your spray.




HOW TO USE YOUR PYRETHRUM INSECTICIDE:

Pyrethrins are more effective at lower temperatures, so for best results, apply in early evening when temperatures are lower. Spray both the upper and lower surfaces of the leaves, because the active chemicals must directly contact the insects. Try to reach any which may be hiding between the leaf crevices. You should find that your first spray will often excite hiding insects and bring them out of their place of hiding. If so, a second dose of the right concentration should finish them off. Remember to never use pyrethrin sprays or powders around waterways or ponds.



HOW TO STORE YOUR PYRETHRUM INSECTICIDE:

Pyrethrins are notoriously unstable components which can quickly break down when exposed to light and heat. However the levels of Pyrethrin concentrations can be maintained for up ot six months by keeping the crushed flowers in a freezer. Alternatively you can try keeping your powder in a sealed container, and storing it in the fridge. This should also keep your prepared pyrethrum powder viable for at least a couple of months.

#2 kochab

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 05:53 PM

Thats pretty cool, I may give it a go if I can late this year or preoare to try it out next year sometime.

#3 greenacres

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 05:57 PM

the other wicked shit i just picked up here is called AVID. illegal in canada but is supposed to be a 1 hit wonder. can dunk plant right in it.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:01 PM

Some info i found...

It's time that I make myself very clear on the subject of pyrethrum and PBO. Pyrethrum is a natural material made from the painted daisy (Chrysanthemum cinerariaefolium or Chrysanthemum coccineum). Pyrethrins are the six compounds in pyrethrum that have insecticidal power.



I've been concerned about the misuse of pyrethrum products for some time, and I have never recommended a pyrethrum product that contains other toxic materials. One of the common extra ingredients is PBO, which is a synthetic synergist that gives the basic insecticide more killing power.



As you can read in the Journal of Pesticide Reform (Vol. 22, No. 1), published by the Northwest Coalition for Alternatives to Pesticides, there are scary facets to pyrethrum. The journal says that in laboratory tests, insecticides made from pyrethrum have caused tumors in animals, increased the risk of leukemia, disrupted the normal function of sex horomones,

and triggered allergic reactions including heart attack and asthma.

See www.pesticide.org/PyrethrinsPyrethrum.pdf



Because of a recent surge of interest in using pyrethrum for mosquito control, I feel that I need to make my warnings stronger. Pyrethrum and related products are neurotoxins. These days, they are being recommended for use as safe, natural insecticides. The concept of the backyard mosquito mist system in which they are being used is good, but cedar or other biological products should be used instead of neurotoxins. The alternatives work as well, but they don't kill beneficial insects and are considerably less toxic.



In addition, some consultants and quite a few stores and contractors are selling and using combination pyrethrum/diatomaceous earth/PBO products. This concerns me because they are promoting these products as organic, and the idea often is marketed as something that I approve. I do not approve of these products. In my opinion, these pest-control products are in the same unacceptable category as diazinon, Dursban, Sevin and Orthene.



PBO deserves specific comment as well. It shows up in a variety of pesticides, even some orange oil/d-limonene and neem products. These combinations are unacceptable in an organic program. You'll find information about PBO in the Journal of Pesticide Reform, too.



PBO has some of the same toxicity issues as pyrethrum, but it is exponentially worse when mixed with other toxic chemicals to make them more effective at killing bugs. Pyrethrum products are toxic to bees, fish and other aquatic life, but they are even more toxic when PBO is added. For me, pyrethrum no longer is an acceptable insect control in an organic program. Pyrethrum combined with PBO has never been acceptable.



Furthermore, synthetic pyrethroids that also contain PBO are even worse than the "natural" products. Synthetic pyrethroids are similar in chemistry and action to pyrethrum pesticides, but they are a bigger problem for people with allergies and asthma. One of those synthetic pyrethroid products is Scourge, which is being used by Dallas and other cities for mosquito control. Its active ingredients are a pyrethroid called resmethrin and PBO. Some consumer products containing synthetic pyrethroids also are available for the control of ticks, fleas, ants and other insects. I urge you to avoid them.


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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:12 PM

yeah if its toxic to bees the local bee farmers near me may not be too happy about me using it and endangering any of what they do. Wouldent be too kind to use for the orchards either.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:07 PM

ummm...... organic is best....... spraying in the bloom rooms is blasphomy 

 

http://www.ibtimes.c...YxyU69t.twitter

 

 

 

maybe a brand of this nature?

http://nature-cide.com/

 

made from this guy

https://www.cashinbi...in-cultivation/


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:08 PM

new pesticide rules

http://www.ibtimes.c...YxyU69t.twitter


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 05:05 PM

check out a product called Old Stage Green Cleaner. I was given a sample by the Smart Pot rep. I sprayed my plants in flower and i've gone from hundreds of white flies to only a couple. I literally only saw 2 last night.


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 11:14 PM

MSDS looks pretty good.

http://media.hydropo...leaner_msds.pdf

 

 

i can relate freak

been there done that.

on harvest day i use to bathe and dunk budz in a bucket to get any soap residue off...... works dam well


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Posted 12 June 2015 - 06:39 PM

the great thing is it kills the eggs and drowns the adults.


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Posted 14 June 2015 - 03:19 PM

Get some wild mint ,spearamint works good ,do an extract ,dilout , spray, no more bugs
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HBD


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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:19 PM

good one weez

so many natural ways to ward off pests

 

please FFw: 9:30

industry leaders, defending and educating the organic community.

http://www.thecannab...ash-kits/36072/

 

we all saw the corporate entities coming years ago, and we all knew they would do anything to make a dollar.

thats why we have the OCA for OMRI certified.

http://www.organicca.org/


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 05:35 AM

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60$ for 8oz........ yikes ..... in the name of science right?

lucky for me only 1 plant outside has a few mites on it.

i'll give them all a spray this week and next week and see how the plants respond.

 

1-2 oz per gallon.......... i used 1oz and a little went a long way

 

 

main ingredients

 

soybean oil

isopropal alcohol

soap

citric acid

Sodium citrate

 

 

grow dude said there are broad mites out of cali & Seattle that are becoming resistant to azomax 


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 01:50 PM

holy crap that expensive...


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 02:29 PM

we can make this shit our selves

 

i think the antifreeze color is just a gimick to throw off the consumer.....

 

i have 1 plant that got the clap...... i doused that bitch last night......instead of spider mites, i see little black spots?

so far its still alive this morning

 

did they expolode?

 

i'm going ISIS on these bitches

 

 


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Posted 09 August 2015 - 09:42 PM

when you see this type of bug, you may want to let them live in an out door grow.

 

Assassin bugz eat other bugs,,,, so i read.

 

i assassinated them on accident

 

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 03:43 AM

ok Wa & OR department of ag has this to say:

 

·        Ed Rosenthal – 3 pesticides that are allowed for use on marijuana.

·        Nature-cide -  1 pesticide that is allowed for use on marijuana.

·        Serenade – 7 pesticides that are allowed for use on marijuana.

·        Safer – 8 pesticides that are allowed for use on marijuana.

·        Captain Jack’s – Not allowed for use on marijuana.

·        Bonide – 12 pesticides that are allowed for use on marijuana.

 

 

lets see if this link works?

click on link products

http://cru66.cahe.ws...bels&SrchType=C

 

 

GREEN CURE /ORGANIC PRODUCTION [1. WA 70870-1         POTASSIUM BICARBONATE 85.00% FRAC NC H & I AGRITECH, INC.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 04:14 AM

pesticides and fungicides is easy

 

just dont spray in the bloom room

 

SERENADE GARDEN DISEASE CONTROL -RTU- /ORGANIC GARDENING [212. WA 264-1154         BACILLUS SUBTILIS QST713 STRAIN 0.074% FRAC 44 BAYER CROPSCIENCE 

 

does that link work for you guyz?

 

 

 

 

 

Hot Shot No-Pest Strip 2 (EPA Reg. No. 5481-532-8845) contains DDVP (Dichlorvos), and is not allowed for use where marijuana is being grown or processed.

 

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 10:22 AM

yep, it's a 4 page pdf of the serenade label.


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